Stag

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Stag Pool Update

January 18 2012:  Update on access to Stag Pool.

looking-down-river-trb-stag-pool Images taken on 16 January when inspecting the middle reaches of the Tongariro RIver to update our “Tongariro Pools” files for 2012.  Stag Pool remains much the same.  In early 2011 a load of sand was deposited along the lower TRB and may have spoilt the lies but this is now being leached away.

But what this is all about is that anglers also need to know about access difficulty problems with the track to Stag Pool TRB.  This off-shoot is now part blocked and very overgrown and part washed away requiring wading as well.

It appears to have been missed by DoC’s annual track maintenance contractors who trim the anglers access tracks.

Several old fallen (blown over) poplars now block the track plus the blackberry is closing in.

track-to-stag-pool If you have to make this trip, wear only your oldest thickest leaky waders as they are likely to be snagged a few more times.  We spent a half hour with a stick thrashing the blackberry but it will soon be impassable if left to grow.  Ditto the old river bank track from Cattle Rustlers to Stag Pool.

It is more like a military obstacle course.  It would be unfortunate to lose this track as this is still one of the most reliable pools in the middle reaches and this is the only access on the TRB.

Also at the tail of Cattle Rustlers Pool many anglers cross over by wading deep from the TLB in a big loop to get to the TRB beach.

For this access park at the Trout Centre and follow the track down river on the TLB and then follow the old road to the river.  I am not sure if this crossing is still possible either?

The river was still flowing at over 30 m3/s when we were there so I was not prepared to test it.

If anyone can advise if this crossing is still wadeable, it would be appreciated, particularly by Boof.

May 22nd, 2009 |

 

Updated Pool Report by Andrew Christmas – Tongariro Fishing Guide

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(Photo right – Author,  Andrew Christmas with Mike & Brad from Cairns at LHS tail out of Stag Pool – 22 May 2009.)

Hi all,

Well the week has once again whisked away from us and we all find ourselves wondering what we will get up to on the weekend, who we will visit, which child’s sport we will watch or best of all what pool of the mighty Tongariro we will fish first thing on Saturday morning. Well I hope you wont take too much notice of this week’s pool report as it is my favourite pool on the river and it has served me very well over the last two years. I can rely on this pool for my clients as it is such an easy lie to fish with easy surroundings and almost no snags at all and it almost always has feeding trout occupying it.

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(From LHS looking down river)

Welcome to the Stag Pool.

This pool can be accessed by turning off the highway at the Admirals Pool sign and follow the signs down to the Stag pool car park which is quite large as it is also the car park for the Cicada pool and Cattle Rustlers. This pool is great for every angler from very young to very old, to very experienced or the total novice.  Hence that is why you will find me and my clients in here a lot.

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(From LHS looking up-river)

The obvious place to fish this pool is from the true left as you drop out of the track as it is the first piece of water that hits you and it looks great-it’s hard to walk past. The way that I would advice to fish this water is to nymph it and start at the tail and work your way to the point that you can not wade anymore due to a high overgrown bank. Wading is not essential on this side of the river and you will see many elderly gentlemen fishing this water due to how close it is to the car park.

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(From LHS looking further up-river)

The deep swirly piece of water at the head of the run quite often produces lovely big browns sitting in the slack water tight against the bank. In the summer the Cicada fishing can be productive in here as well as it does have some overhanging branches which house Cicadas and they must drop in as trout food. The pool is generally the same speed and depth all the way across so wetlining would be a method that could be used but I do not see that many anglers doing this here?. Nymphing is the best method in this water with the traditional Tongariro set up of small naturals or glo bugs and particularly if you are a left hander you are sweet.

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(From RHS looking up-river)

I prefer to fish the true right of this pool and access to this water can be achieved by walking down from the Red Hut or walking up from the Major Jones bridge and dropping down off the track – sign-posted as “Anglers Access”. Both tracks have great scenery and you will pass awesome fishing pools on the way.  To reach the Stag pool it will take about 45 minutes whichever track you take. Doc have recently redeveloped the old track from Cattle Rustlers down to the Stag so it is easily accessed once again.  The old track was washed out and you had to walk down along the river to get to the pool.

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(Crossing is not recommended but some anglers cannot resist the short cut across the tail from the Stag Pool car park)

If you are big strong and crazy and don’t value life very much or have a mate to use as a walking stick you might like to try and cross the tail of the Stag from the true left, but I strongly advise against it. In the summer months when the river was low it was able to be done but with the winter setting in and river coming up you would be better to walk the track and enjoy fishing on the way there. I am used to wearing breathable waders which are easy to cross in and divert water from, but the other day I broke out the neoprenes and it is amazing how much more the water grabs hold of you.  So be careful this winter when you go back to the old waders.

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From RHS tail of pool looking down river towards Cicada Pool cliffs)

The true right of the Stag offers great fishing for both nymphers and wetliners with nice long drifts and great depth to work that wet fly. I advise starting at the tail and work your way to the head until you hit the fast water fishing your feet first as there are large amounts of browns that hold in this water close to your feet and staying out of the main current. Drop back to the tail and then fish it like you are targeting Rainbows in the deeper faster water if you are wetlining it do the opposite way obviously. You will come across the odd snag while practicing both methods in this water but after the first time you will realize when to pull it out of there. I very seldom miss in this pool.  It is my favourite pool to introduce new fishermen to as it holds heaps of fish and offers easy casting with not much mending.  I find wading into the slack water just above my knees and casting into the current the easiest way to hit the lies in this pool. If you aren’t the best caster in the world that’s fine – even Ross can fish this water without too many worries because you can load your rod with your cast by laying it in the water behind you. There is plenty of space to lay your line out straight and push a decent cast up river without having to worry about snapping your flies off on rocks or catching them in the trees behind.

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(From RHS head of pool looking down river)

From this side of the river it is hard to work out what is the true stag as there is another great run above the main pool which also holds plenty of trout and you would be mad to ignore it. It is only really fishable from the true right and is well fished after 20 casts or so. Fish hold in the fast water feeding on dislodged nymphs tumbling down from the braided water.  Needless to say it really is best fished with a nymph rig.  I also include this as part of the Stag pool and that’s good really as it gives two separate parties the opportunity to fish the Stag at the same time without pushing each other through quickly.

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(View looking up river towards Stag Pool in distance.  After trout have ascended this rapid up from Cicada Pool they have to rest to wait for you)

All in all there is not much wrong with this water.  The only downfall I can fault the water on is that the big browns generally get away from me in here and we need to get together and dam the pool so when those buggers are hooked they cannot take off down the rapid to the Cicada pool. The last big boy went that way and I went with it resulting in a drowned camera, phone and waders full of water but the result was very worth it.

Keep fishing guys/gals,  Don’t miss Saturday fishing report

Tight lines

Andrew Christmas

Stag Pool 2008
Rating (out of 20) LHS 16, RHS 13,Cicada LHS (under pumice cliff) 15

(2007 Googled images of Tongariro River Pools with Stag Pool in centre-right at bottom, Cattle Rustlers on sharp bend at bottom – follow road access to carpark from SH1 to LHS of Stag Pool)
(Photo RHS Stage Pool by Brendon Mathews April 2008 – of Mike Pratt from Canada landing his trout)
22 April 2008 Update: The
flood on 15 April rose to over 500 cumecs and will have affected many of the pools and river crossings. So
take care!
April 2008 Update: (Check out a new pool which formed and expanded during 2008 on the LHS at the head of Stag. Take the track upriver towards Cattle Rustlers for about 200 metres and take the side track to the left. It is a cracker! But don’t tell anyone else…
8 May Update… The recent floods at 540 cumecs and over 200 cumecs have deepened this pool preventing wading. We will have to wait for the river to reduce to the previous lower volume to see if it is still producing as well.
This is typical of the Tongariro. As soon as we report on a new hot spot a flood destroys it… watch this space…)

(Photo of anon elderly angler photo at right by Brent Purser on 20 May 2007 – a hook up on first cast (!) at the head of Stag Pool RHS.)

The only reason the RHS of Stag Pool is rated less is to reflect the more arduous access compared to the LHS. Generally the RHS fishes better and is under-rated. It is often occupied by guides with clients and few others. Possibly this indicates how spoilt Tongariro anglers are for choice. If it takes more than ten minutes walk then many good pools are neglected. If you are looking for a new more interesting pool, this should be at the top of your shopping list on your next trip.
(Below – Notice board in the Stag car park is located adjoining the short 30m track to the LHS of Stag Pool.)
Access:
The Stag Pool car park is very convenient being about 3 km south of the Tongariro River Motel to the main road sign for Admirals Pool, then about 1 km down the track taking the right fork. From the car park the main stony beach is adjacent. This is a good place for novices with clear back cast room and relatively safe easy wading. The Tongariro River can be crossed here but as the current is quite boisterous and most of the crossing is over greasy cannon balls, wading poles and/or buddy support and/or wader belts are all needed. If in any doubt take one of the other access options mentioned below for RHS. Foot access up the LHS leads to several interesting pocket pools usually worth a flick.
If the crossing at the tail of Stag looks dicey, walk up the track from the car park to cross over at the much safer tail of Cattle Rustlers. This Stag Pool car park is on the LHS walking track which leads up from the Hydro Pool, past Cattle Rustlers Pool, to the National Trout Centre Birch Pools. As at April 2007 there was no signage to direct anglers so good local knowledge is necessary along this LHS, or get directions from TRM’s office.
(2008 – Signage now in place)
DoC advise it will be extended eventually to link Red Hut and Birches swing bridges (promises, promises?) but this requires further negotiations for access over private land and across a minor spawning stream above Silly Pool. Beyond the Stag Pool car park the walk way is limited to licensed anglers only.RHS Access: This requires either the above mentioned crossing over the tail of Stag or a 30+ minute walk from Koura Street swing bridge. The angler access sign on the river walk, to indicate the side-track, easily identifies the side track – see below.(Proof of the quality of this pool – this is The Scribe, Jared from
Sporting Life tackle shop landing and releasing a good sized 7-8 pound ? brown trout on
the RHS of Stag Pool on 31 March 2007.)

This is a pleasant walk, even in waders. Another option often used is to park at the National Trout Centre, follow the Angler Access track down river to cross at the tail of Cattle Rustlers Pool and then proceed down river to the Stag Pool. The tail of Cattle Rustlers has become a popular crossing being waist deep over sandy river bed in quiet current.

This last option may appear longer but appears more popular during Autumn for the ripe organically grown wild blackberries about 200m along the track.

Once across to the RHS, the Stag Pool side track is only about 20m down from the Cattle Rustlers side track. Follow this along the river bank – past where part of the track has been washed out – then back inland until you see the large log which identifies where the second side track leads to Stag Pool.

Note a local guide suggests that Stag Pool is subject to constantly changing contours from silting up after each fresh. Early in 2006 it was a hot pool but then went out of favour after silt appeared to ruin the lie in the gut. But soon after another small fresh, it reverted to its former contour, but by then was by-passed by many anglers despite being a consistent producer.

View looking up river over Mill Race below Stag Pools can be fished from both sides.


Naming History:

 

We are not aware why or how this was called Stag Pool. The river course has changed as indicated by the wide fan spreading out from the Stag Pool car park and no doubt will change again.

The crossing below stag is also known as Mill Race. On the Tourist & Publicity map of 1929 this leads into the Cicada Pool under the pumice cliffs. On Whitney’s map of 1932 it is named the Fly Pool.

Stag Pool car park is often used by anglers visiting other pools including Cicada Pool or for crossing over to RHS pools.

(Photo left – Jason Klivington from USA hooked up in Stag Pool – again – April 2007)
(Photo right – Another Stag Pool convert is Mike Solly from Wellington.)
Mike is more experienced in the salt water – either sailing or fishing, so this was a new experience for him. The backward casting on 24 April 2007 at the LHS of Stag Pool – only 40 metres from the car park was to compensate for the windy conditions. No waders were necessary.
His letter of approval follows:
Hi Ross and Pip (and Jason)Safely back so I can dream of coming back when we return from France and assisting with Turangi economy. Thanks again 4 a wonderful experence. Why didn’t I wait 4 the rain!!!! I remain faithfully, “STOP DIDDYMO”, MikeNOTE: Pool Reports for the Tongariro River are prepared from
guest/anglers experiences. As such, Tongariro River Motel do not
accept any responsibility for the opinions of other anglers who are
traditionally acknowledged liars about their best fishing pools.